This is pure conjecture but, Elisa is looking for a plea. But first she wants to lead the police on a wild goose chase to try to establish she only suspects Adam and knows nothing of the details of the crime.
To put doubt of her direct knowledge she is likely cooperating with police saying she only helped Adam cover up "what're it was he dun". There has been two "promising leads" that amounted for Jack shit. I got 20 on third time being a the charm.
Elisa is giving them possible locations to search. Not the knowledge she in fact possess which is going to be the dump site for the bed. She can't implicate herself beyond that. She will find the bed and MAYBE the leg. But you can be rest assured she will not give the location of the body (if one exists). In trial her defense can show she cooperated with police in the parts she new about. Covering up Adam's crime.
So knowing LE knows this and is playing along to get the goods, they got to enjoy a nice country drive to Caldwell County. A place known to Elisa as they lived there 3 years previously. A forest road towards Granite falls.The conversation in the truck was likely not related to the case but a lovely dialogue about the weather or favorite colors. It is common for a liar to use pieces of their past to build new truths.
So she gets to take a ride and then return to her sell another piece of the puzzle added. Once LE puts in the last few pieces they will expose these pieces were not from this puzzle at all.
I just can't help but feel like at this point the sheriff's office is along for the ride. I really hope I am right that they know this game and nail this woman to the wall.
Tuesday, October 26, 2010
Thursday, October 21, 2010
Madness: Elisa Baker has a sugar daddy
The case against Elisa Baker (and potentially Adam), is picking up steam. Today at a bail hearing County District Judge Robert Mullinax Jr raised her bail sitting flight risk as the reason.
As I turns out Elisa has at least one other man in her life. A man in England who send her money in the range of thousands of dollars according to her daughter. By the looks of it Elisa Baker is Gothic Fairy online and spends a substantial amount of time having sexual relations through second life or some other means.
Likely it will come out that she spends so much time playing second life that she neglected her children. This suspect this is common amongst a group of women we call gold diggers, as their looks wash away the resort to their manipulative and sexual gratifying and therefore justified behavior online.
What prompted the Judge to deem Elisa a flight risk was likely her own grown daughters testimony which included details of the man in England and a threat to leave NC that day prior to her arrest.
That alongside testimony by the prosecutor is her tendency to “miss” court appearances.
The judge raised the bail from 45K to 60K (still not enough to keep her there in my opinion). Leonard? Where’s your offer?
In the end the judge raised the bail, due to “disturbing and unsettling allegations” raised before him.
Zahra was last seen in public Sept. 25, investigators are asking anyone who may have information regarding this case to contact the Hickory Police Department at 828-328-5551.
As I turns out Elisa has at least one other man in her life. A man in England who send her money in the range of thousands of dollars according to her daughter. By the looks of it Elisa Baker is Gothic Fairy online and spends a substantial amount of time having sexual relations through second life or some other means.
Likely it will come out that she spends so much time playing second life that she neglected her children. This suspect this is common amongst a group of women we call gold diggers, as their looks wash away the resort to their manipulative and sexual gratifying and therefore justified behavior online.
What prompted the Judge to deem Elisa a flight risk was likely her own grown daughters testimony which included details of the man in England and a threat to leave NC that day prior to her arrest.
That alongside testimony by the prosecutor is her tendency to “miss” court appearances.
The judge raised the bail from 45K to 60K (still not enough to keep her there in my opinion). Leonard? Where’s your offer?
In the end the judge raised the bail, due to “disturbing and unsettling allegations” raised before him.
Zahra was last seen in public Sept. 25, investigators are asking anyone who may have information regarding this case to contact the Hickory Police Department at 828-328-5551.
Wednesday, October 20, 2010
Thought: Where did Adam Baker go on Saturday?
By his own words Adam admitted to leaving the property at around 11am and returning at 1pm, prior to "discovering" and reporting Zahra missing. He claims he went to "check on a job". What job, where? No one knows.
Now knowing that Elisa was the author of the ransom note exposes that there was obviously a plan to make her disappearance look like a kidnapping, which directly implicates, at least Elisa at that point, in the actual disappearance.
But where did Adam go. Checking on a job on a Saturday is quite normal for a tree trimming service as a lot of the work these companies do happen outside of business hours so that is not to strange.
But couple that with the fact that his statement inconsistencies sort of implicate him as well in at least the cover up. In the 911 tapes he claims to have just got up. But we know he left the property so you would think the statement would be I just got back. But at that point he didn't want anyone to know he had left. Why?
Evidence disposal, or better yet planting.
The way this plan seems have been laid out is as a framing. Adam has a grudge. The obviously not anonymous kidnapper aka disgruntled employee, is to specific for there not to be a plan to frame someone. If you implicate someone at your place of work there had better be some evidence or eventually they will have you.
So did Adam Baker leave with evidence? Yes. Did he leave with the leg? I absolutely think so. In my opinion the leg has been deposited somewhere where it will implicate someone else. I wonder who was working at the job he went to check on. Those people better be ready to be witnesses in a pretty big case.
If Adam new nothing about the plan to get rid of Zahra why wouldn't he have checked on his daughter he loves so much when he discovers the plan to kidnap his bosses daughter. I know that even when children are kidnapped miles away it makes me pause and just need to see my daughter to make sure everything is ok.
I would also do this if there was a fire on my property. Just let her know if she was awake everything was fine. I mean this guy was having a pretty fucked up day and I would think you would want to hug you loved children prior to going to check on a job. But hey, everyone’s different.
I don't know what happened to Zahra or when it happened. But I do know that Adam and Elisa tried and failed to cover it up. So in my books they are as good as gone.
Now knowing that Elisa was the author of the ransom note exposes that there was obviously a plan to make her disappearance look like a kidnapping, which directly implicates, at least Elisa at that point, in the actual disappearance.
But where did Adam go. Checking on a job on a Saturday is quite normal for a tree trimming service as a lot of the work these companies do happen outside of business hours so that is not to strange.
But couple that with the fact that his statement inconsistencies sort of implicate him as well in at least the cover up. In the 911 tapes he claims to have just got up. But we know he left the property so you would think the statement would be I just got back. But at that point he didn't want anyone to know he had left. Why?
Evidence disposal, or better yet planting.
The way this plan seems have been laid out is as a framing. Adam has a grudge. The obviously not anonymous kidnapper aka disgruntled employee, is to specific for there not to be a plan to frame someone. If you implicate someone at your place of work there had better be some evidence or eventually they will have you.
So did Adam Baker leave with evidence? Yes. Did he leave with the leg? I absolutely think so. In my opinion the leg has been deposited somewhere where it will implicate someone else. I wonder who was working at the job he went to check on. Those people better be ready to be witnesses in a pretty big case.
If Adam new nothing about the plan to get rid of Zahra why wouldn't he have checked on his daughter he loves so much when he discovers the plan to kidnap his bosses daughter. I know that even when children are kidnapped miles away it makes me pause and just need to see my daughter to make sure everything is ok.
I would also do this if there was a fire on my property. Just let her know if she was awake everything was fine. I mean this guy was having a pretty fucked up day and I would think you would want to hug you loved children prior to going to check on a job. But hey, everyone’s different.
I don't know what happened to Zahra or when it happened. But I do know that Adam and Elisa tried and failed to cover it up. So in my books they are as good as gone.
Tuesday, October 19, 2010
Madness: 911 calls by father Adam and step-mother Elisa released
Police have released the 911 tape of Adam Baker calling 911 to report Zahra missing. As well they released the morning 911 call by Zahra's step mother reporting the fire in the yard. Both calls are available in part here.
First lets have a look at Elisa's call
When the 911 operator asks what the emergency is Elisa responds "My husband works for a tree maintenance company and our backyard is on fire."
Order of statement here is very important. Elisa reports first that Adam, her husband, works at a tree maintenance company. This is unnecessary information and therefore important to the callers state of mind. Now remember this is reporting the fire that brought the firefighters who eventually discovered the supposed ransom note. At this time other then Elisa having direct knowledge of the ransom note (because she wrote it) would be unaware or it's content. She was already at that time setting up the story on record.
She later admitted to writing the note which instantly directly implicated her in either the disappearance itself or at least it's cover up. The confession as well as that first statement should be enough to prove that much.
Now as far as Adam's involvement at this time it can not be established other than Elisa stating he works for the tree company that she used as the fake ransom note. I would wounder how much Elisa knew about the boss prior to this event is it even possible for her to have details of the bosses children without Adam providing this information?
After the 911 operator asked her to repeat the statement she replies with my backyard is on fire. But then proceeds to again explain that they have mulch piles and wood piles as they sell firewood. Yet another piece of useless information you can tell that the 911 officer almost missed this as she was focus on the little girl rather than the workplace that doesn't matter.
There is no mention of the children in this call and it ends with the 911 dispatching the fire department.
The fire was extinguished and the Elisa and Adam apparently went about their day lounging in bed till just before 2pm.
The next call was by Adam Baker. When the operator picks up he starts the conversation with "Hey, how you doin?" now although most people ask a similar question when they call their buddies and it is interchangeable with hello. The casualness with the way he greets and asks for police I find quite eary. It almost seems he is making a token call and feels that way. Exasperation is present in his voice but not the type I would expect from a person reporting his daughter missing.
Adam then proceeds to tell the operator what he assumes happened. This to me is the first very obvious red flag. Adam seems to want to tell the whole story rather then simply state my daughter is missing and let the police deal with the details. He seems ready to start spinning a story right away. This coupled with the knowledge that the note was a fake, leads me to believe at this point he is doing damage control as the plan didn't really roll out as first thought. He seems to be very interested in the fact that his bosses daughter was the target and he guesses they took his daughter instead by mistake.
What is the motive there. What were they trying to accomplish by misdirecting the police to the bosses house.
All I can think of is to avoid further questions like do you know anyone who would want to harm you or your family. By placing the blame on his bosses behavior it may make for less probing. Could there have been prior threats made against the boss and this was a botched attempt to frame someone? Only time and apparently Elisa baker will tell. Since the initial report and the confession Elesa Baker has been locked up for offenses that initially seem unrelated. This is a common practice by law enforcement and until Elesa confessed was their only means of separating the two lead persons of interest. Once in jail it seems Elisa started to talk as the investigation started taking clearly defined twists. Placing them all over the area and performing searches, all of which turned up nothing. Guilty parties will often turn on their cohort in crime when faced with punishment so I believe at this time Elisa turned on her hubby and began implicating him and lead them on a wild goose chase to establish doubt in her involvement. But as is shown in the Casey Anthony goose chance the lies begin to mount. At this time as Elisa was fighting to keep her lies straight is likely when she confessed to writing the note. The police may have tried a tactic claiming that Adam was talking and if there is any thing she wanted to change in her statement. Her confessions puts her on the peripheral of the crime. It in no way implicates her for murder, only obstruction and potentially a cover up of a crime. By no means as bad an offense as the actual murder.
Adam remains out of jail at this time. There simply is no sign of Zahra.
Now I look back through this mess and I see one recurring element and that is Adam's workplace. I think the truth will be found there. There is a reason that it was important to establish this as a disgruntled employee. Evidence is hard to get around unless there is another possible reason said evidence exists. If there is evidence at the workplace it was put there by the disgruntled employee not Adam.
When we look at the fire and it's possibility of destroying evidence and we look at the response by Adam and Elesa we can see that the crime likely did not happen at the house. The body is around either the home or the workplace. But something is. Or someone is.
Adam is too willing to allow investigators in. He wanted them to see there was no sign of abuse. No sign of anything wrong. He wanted to make sure they thought the leg had been stolen as that would delay thoughts that the girl was in fact murdered as why would a murderer take a leg for someone they intended to kill. The leg will be found Zahra wont for a very long time.
I think the leg will be found around the disgruntled employee's stomping ground. The body (or whats left of it) sometime later buried around a work-site.
The problem is even once the remains are recovered I have a hard time believing evidence will be there unless it is planted in someway.
These people planned this cover-up for a long time and fortunately it went off wrong and the suspects are probably caught. Trial will be difficult on the prosecutors if they can't find some sort of forensic evidence beyond decomp-dogs hitting and a confession of a fake note. Elesa is a thief and a con artist so this is likely money driven and possibly an extortion attempt.
I hope for the sake of the rest of the family they can find it in their hearts to stop parading in front of the media taunting the social services with I told you so comments as if there was the type of thing going on in the home that is now being reported that puts them at the bottom of the barrel in my books. Equally if not more responsible for the death of this darling child as they supposedly have the wherewithal to know the situation was bad and they think calling social services is enough?
First lets have a look at Elisa's call
When the 911 operator asks what the emergency is Elisa responds "My husband works for a tree maintenance company and our backyard is on fire."
Order of statement here is very important. Elisa reports first that Adam, her husband, works at a tree maintenance company. This is unnecessary information and therefore important to the callers state of mind. Now remember this is reporting the fire that brought the firefighters who eventually discovered the supposed ransom note. At this time other then Elisa having direct knowledge of the ransom note (because she wrote it) would be unaware or it's content. She was already at that time setting up the story on record.
She later admitted to writing the note which instantly directly implicated her in either the disappearance itself or at least it's cover up. The confession as well as that first statement should be enough to prove that much.
Now as far as Adam's involvement at this time it can not be established other than Elisa stating he works for the tree company that she used as the fake ransom note. I would wounder how much Elisa knew about the boss prior to this event is it even possible for her to have details of the bosses children without Adam providing this information?
After the 911 operator asked her to repeat the statement she replies with my backyard is on fire. But then proceeds to again explain that they have mulch piles and wood piles as they sell firewood. Yet another piece of useless information you can tell that the 911 officer almost missed this as she was focus on the little girl rather than the workplace that doesn't matter.
There is no mention of the children in this call and it ends with the 911 dispatching the fire department.
The fire was extinguished and the Elisa and Adam apparently went about their day lounging in bed till just before 2pm.
The next call was by Adam Baker. When the operator picks up he starts the conversation with "Hey, how you doin?" now although most people ask a similar question when they call their buddies and it is interchangeable with hello. The casualness with the way he greets and asks for police I find quite eary. It almost seems he is making a token call and feels that way. Exasperation is present in his voice but not the type I would expect from a person reporting his daughter missing.
Adam then proceeds to tell the operator what he assumes happened. This to me is the first very obvious red flag. Adam seems to want to tell the whole story rather then simply state my daughter is missing and let the police deal with the details. He seems ready to start spinning a story right away. This coupled with the knowledge that the note was a fake, leads me to believe at this point he is doing damage control as the plan didn't really roll out as first thought. He seems to be very interested in the fact that his bosses daughter was the target and he guesses they took his daughter instead by mistake.
What is the motive there. What were they trying to accomplish by misdirecting the police to the bosses house.
All I can think of is to avoid further questions like do you know anyone who would want to harm you or your family. By placing the blame on his bosses behavior it may make for less probing. Could there have been prior threats made against the boss and this was a botched attempt to frame someone? Only time and apparently Elisa baker will tell. Since the initial report and the confession Elesa Baker has been locked up for offenses that initially seem unrelated. This is a common practice by law enforcement and until Elesa confessed was their only means of separating the two lead persons of interest. Once in jail it seems Elisa started to talk as the investigation started taking clearly defined twists. Placing them all over the area and performing searches, all of which turned up nothing. Guilty parties will often turn on their cohort in crime when faced with punishment so I believe at this time Elisa turned on her hubby and began implicating him and lead them on a wild goose chase to establish doubt in her involvement. But as is shown in the Casey Anthony goose chance the lies begin to mount. At this time as Elisa was fighting to keep her lies straight is likely when she confessed to writing the note. The police may have tried a tactic claiming that Adam was talking and if there is any thing she wanted to change in her statement. Her confessions puts her on the peripheral of the crime. It in no way implicates her for murder, only obstruction and potentially a cover up of a crime. By no means as bad an offense as the actual murder.
Adam remains out of jail at this time. There simply is no sign of Zahra.
Now I look back through this mess and I see one recurring element and that is Adam's workplace. I think the truth will be found there. There is a reason that it was important to establish this as a disgruntled employee. Evidence is hard to get around unless there is another possible reason said evidence exists. If there is evidence at the workplace it was put there by the disgruntled employee not Adam.
When we look at the fire and it's possibility of destroying evidence and we look at the response by Adam and Elesa we can see that the crime likely did not happen at the house. The body is around either the home or the workplace. But something is. Or someone is.
Adam is too willing to allow investigators in. He wanted them to see there was no sign of abuse. No sign of anything wrong. He wanted to make sure they thought the leg had been stolen as that would delay thoughts that the girl was in fact murdered as why would a murderer take a leg for someone they intended to kill. The leg will be found Zahra wont for a very long time.
I think the leg will be found around the disgruntled employee's stomping ground. The body (or whats left of it) sometime later buried around a work-site.
The problem is even once the remains are recovered I have a hard time believing evidence will be there unless it is planted in someway.
These people planned this cover-up for a long time and fortunately it went off wrong and the suspects are probably caught. Trial will be difficult on the prosecutors if they can't find some sort of forensic evidence beyond decomp-dogs hitting and a confession of a fake note. Elesa is a thief and a con artist so this is likely money driven and possibly an extortion attempt.
I hope for the sake of the rest of the family they can find it in their hearts to stop parading in front of the media taunting the social services with I told you so comments as if there was the type of thing going on in the home that is now being reported that puts them at the bottom of the barrel in my books. Equally if not more responsible for the death of this darling child as they supposedly have the wherewithal to know the situation was bad and they think calling social services is enough?
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Madness: He seems concerned. I don't know how sincere his concern is
Burke County Sheriff John McDevitt told ABC this morning "He seems concerned. I don't know how sincere his concern is” then when asked if he believes Adam’s version of the story he replied, “I don’t”
10 year old Zahra Baker was reported missing Saturday morning after a bizarre series of events. Involving a fire and ransom note. The case now being treated as a homicide instantly got headlines across the globe. Elisa and Adam Baker both spent time living in Australia, where Zahra’s biological mother also lives, gave it an international appeal.
After reporting Zahra missing and claiming she had last seen her at 2:30am in bed, Elisa not so goth now Baker, was arrested quickly on outstanding warrants for fraud. Police arresting her so quickly prevented her from being able to concoct her story and in questioning she broke down, claimed she was the person who wrote the ransom note and immediately lawyered up.
Since Adam is also not cooperating with the investigation they have now turned their attention to him. As with all high profile cases, several people have come forward to spill the beans about this family. First it was family now neighbors all claiming they witnessed abuse.
Also, as reported here, Douglas Proctor Elisa’s son made a public plea for privacy. Privacy is a right given to those who deserve it. Even if Zahra was found alive and had run away and her parents had nothing to do with it, her family still let her down in the vilest of ways, by allowing violence to continue unabated for years.
Last night in a vigil Zahra’s relative tried to wash their hands of this by telling the media they reported the abuse to Social Services three separate times. The Charlotte observer quotes Lindsey Parker They tried. They really tried,"
I am sorry I don’t buy it. If you don’t see an abused child for weeks and you “knew something like this would happen” What the fuck people. Wake up. It is each and every one of your responsibility to protect beings that require protection, even if it is from someone who claims to love them and you.
10 year old Zahra Baker was reported missing Saturday morning after a bizarre series of events. Involving a fire and ransom note. The case now being treated as a homicide instantly got headlines across the globe. Elisa and Adam Baker both spent time living in Australia, where Zahra’s biological mother also lives, gave it an international appeal.
After reporting Zahra missing and claiming she had last seen her at 2:30am in bed, Elisa not so goth now Baker, was arrested quickly on outstanding warrants for fraud. Police arresting her so quickly prevented her from being able to concoct her story and in questioning she broke down, claimed she was the person who wrote the ransom note and immediately lawyered up.
Since Adam is also not cooperating with the investigation they have now turned their attention to him. As with all high profile cases, several people have come forward to spill the beans about this family. First it was family now neighbors all claiming they witnessed abuse.
Also, as reported here, Douglas Proctor Elisa’s son made a public plea for privacy. Privacy is a right given to those who deserve it. Even if Zahra was found alive and had run away and her parents had nothing to do with it, her family still let her down in the vilest of ways, by allowing violence to continue unabated for years.
Last night in a vigil Zahra’s relative tried to wash their hands of this by telling the media they reported the abuse to Social Services three separate times. The Charlotte observer quotes Lindsey Parker They tried. They really tried,"
I am sorry I don’t buy it. If you don’t see an abused child for weeks and you “knew something like this would happen” What the fuck people. Wake up. It is each and every one of your responsibility to protect beings that require protection, even if it is from someone who claims to love them and you.
Wednesday, October 13, 2010
Madness: Zahra Baker case relevant location map
Thanks to Pamela for creating this map I have added it to a Related links on the right.
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